J.S. Bach: Mass in B minor "Agnus Dei"

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J.S. Bach: Mass in B minor "Agnus Dei" - Andreas Scholl

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Sorry folks, I give up!
I uploaded this video 4 times so far, and every time I did, it was out of sync, specially the second part. I assure you it is not my fault, it plays beautifully on my pc. Youtube is doing something to it I do not know.. I may try it again next week may be to see if it works better..
J.S. Bach:
Mass in B minor, BWV 232 "Agnus Dei"
Agnus dei qui tollis peccata mundi
miserere nobis..
Lamb of God,
who takes away the sins of the world,
have mercy upon us..

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Aauuuggghhh! ... ( 1 month ago by MerlinTheDraconic)

Aauuuggghhh! Baroque tuning! It sounds really good so long as I don't listen to it and read the music at the same time. Absolute pitch has its downfalls. It sounds like Alfred Deller. Beautiful!

There's no such ... ( 1 month ago by MehdiCaps)

There's no such thing as an "absolute pitch". You're simply used to A440. It's not the case for everyone. I have nightmares whenever I see a piece of music that is not performed at A415. ;)

I don't think you ... ( 1 month ago by MerlinTheDraconic)

I don't think you quite get what I mean. Without external reference, I can tell you exactly what note you are playing, and in science class I have demonstrated an ability to very accurately guess frequencies. This piece is confusing, because when I see a g on this score, and Scholl sings what for me is an F#, my head hurts.

I see exactly what ... ( 1 month ago by MehdiCaps)

I see exactly what you mean, but I don't consider that as "absolute pitch", because there's no absolute pitch, it's only a convention. That's why I said: you're simply used to A440. The fact that you're able to recognize a note without reference is not that unusual: it's the case for a good percentage of the professional musicians. Your "talent" is more to me a handicap, because it makes you unable to play anything at other pitches (not only 415) without having a headache. ;)

I am quite ... ( 1 month ago by MerlinTheDraconic)

I am quite cogniscant that there is no "absolute pitch" of things, an A is whatever we choose to call it. I am quite aware of the subjectivity of things, just as a second is as long as someone decided it should be. Also, perfect pitch is only common if 1/10000 is common. You might be thinking of relative pitch based around an established pitch center. That is not unusual.

Again: it's not ... ( 1 month ago by MehdiCaps)

Again: it's not that unusual for professional performers. I've read it's something like 25% of them. Of course, it's much rarer in the rest of the population, because: 1) they have no training in that area; 2) they couldn't care less. Your ability is only due to high training, and it's to me a lack of flexibility. And if it was that rare, why would Eser and I get comments all the time from people having that so-called absolute pitch, complaining about the score being "different" from the music?

Piękne ( 1 month ago by energia321)

Piękne

Just don't throw ... ( 1 month ago by camasta23m)

Just don't throw yourself in the Nile like Schumann!

Es lo màs sublime y ... ( 1 month ago by amoabach)

Es lo màs sublime y lo màs hermoso que escuchado.

Oh m y gosh! the ... ( 1 month ago by secretwaters)

Oh m y gosh! the same thing happens to me. I thought I was the only one.... I play the violin and I tune it without needing a piano or any other outside force playing a note....I can just 'feel' it.

Can I ask from ... ( 1 month ago by bmfremkgergkem)

Can I ask from which recording this is taken, so I can obtain it.

merlin - do you ... ( 4 weeks ago by tenebrousllama)

merlin - do you mean you have perfect pitch? i can understand how this would be painful for you if you do - i have a friend who has perfect pitch, and it drives her absolutely nuts - we heard a beethoven symphony that was a "half step flat" and it was so hard for her. what mehdi is referring to is more "relative pitch" - many musicians develop a good sense of what each note is, and can identify notes when they hear them, due to their years of experience. you're born with perfect pitch.

lol why did i just ... ( 4 weeks ago by tenebrousllama)

lol why did i just give you this talk - you're an organist, so of course you know! anyway, my explanation was more for the benefit of medhi, who didn't seem to understand that you were talking about perfect pitch (absolute pitch), rather than stating that there is a absolute pitch that is "right". anyway, i should just stay out of this :P

I'm mostly a ... ( 4 weeks ago by MerlinTheDraconic)

I'm mostly a violinist, actually. I just usually end up referencing the organ. But yeah. Perfect pitch is musically useful, cost-saving (need no tuner), and annoying as hell. For instance, most workmen neglect to tune their jackhammers. I also have very sensitive hearing, so I hear all sorts of crazy high and low frequencies. (not in tune). It is fun to freak out piano examiners, though, when you just tell them the exact chord they played.

"Born with perfect ... ( 4 weeks ago by MehdiCaps)

"Born with perfect pitch", it's you, Tenebrousllama, who don't know what you're talking about. I knew exactly what Merlin meant, but I was playing a little with him, because it's so impolite and ignorant to complain about this so-called difference between the score and the notes you hear when you're watching an animated score with BAROQUE MUSIC, for crying out loud.

absolute (perfect) ... ( 4 weeks ago by tenebrousllama)

absolute (perfect) pitch is nature, relative pitch is nurtured. you don't have to have any previous training in music to have perfect pitch - you just do. i'd imagine it's pretty painful, seeing as i don't have perfect pitch, but i do have a good sense of intonation, and that being slightly off drives me up a wall - having perfect pitch and hearing one thing and seeing another must be excruciating.

i played the violin ... ( 4 weeks ago by tenebrousllama)

i played the violin for a bit. so i'm very good at giving A, D, G, and E when asked. :P and then i can find most notes relative to those. my friend can identify chords like that - drives me nuts! :) we'll be hanging out, and all of a sudden we'll hear the ding of the BART train, and she'll tell me it's a G sharp, or whatever it happens to be.

my wording was a ... ( 4 weeks ago by tenebrousllama)

my wording was a gross oversimplification. point is, some people are just predisposed to have perfect pitch. it's not something you can learn later in life. you CAN learn relative pitch, with work.

This discussion is ... ( 3 weeks ago by fruziakazimierska)

This discussion is straying off the point a bit. A propos Scholl and Bach - I find this performance disappointing - it`s slow and ponderous as in the bad old days (before the HIP era that is) - completely lacking in rhetoric. The voice is heavenly but has little merit in terms of interpretation- it`s one-dimensional and superficial, sounding like a grown-up treble, which he just happens to be (Scholl says countertenor is his natural voice).

Sorry Mr. Scholl: ... ( 3 weeks ago by brunosilvershadow)

Sorry Mr. Scholl: for this piece Kathleen Ferrier, the great british Contralto remains unreached! Scholl sings beautifully but it is a little artificial. Kathleen Ferrier sings it such as i have to believe her the 'miserere nobis' her breath is remarkable fluent and her musical line has a great character!

I don't agree with ... ( 2 weeks ago by clyfton)

I don't agree with the idea of absolute pitch being, whithout exception, something that is passed down genetically. Cause what you're saying is basically that it's absolute pitch if it's innate, and relative pitch if it's learned? This isn't true.
To the best of my knowledge, I wasn't born with an absolute pitch. However, I am showing signs of both "absolute" and "realtive" pitch, as you call them.

Array ( 2 weeks ago by clyfton)

Cont'd.
First of all, I don't have the slightest problem listening to this recording, even though I'm aware of the fact that it's "off-set". And yet I have this "absolute pitch", in much the same way that Merlin was talking about...
For you see, this so called "absolute pitch" still relies entirely on the mutual agreement that a certain tone or note has a certain frequency, like A being at 440Hz. It could just as well be 430 or 450, so ANY kind of pitch has to be relative to something! :)

Who are you? ... ( 2 weeks ago by Alfgard1)

Who are you? Nothing...

This is beautiful! ( 1 week ago by mradaChris)

This is beautiful!

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