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Michael Shermer Out of Body Experiment



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Michael Shermer travels to Laurentian University in Sudbury, Canada, to strap on the "God Helmet" in neuroscientist Michael Persinger's lab that duplicates out-of-body experiences, near-death experiences, alien abductions, and other paranormal phenomena.


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So not only have ... ( 3 weeks ago by Scjrd91)
So not only have you been inaccurate about where the story originated from but now you seem to want me to take your word for it.
I never said I ... ( 3 weeks ago by LiquidNsolidus)
I never said I wanted you to take my word for it,I was just leaving my two cents worth which I now admit some of it was wrong but the point still stands that it is anecdotal testimony and not empirical evidence.
YAWN ( 3 weeks ago by thruthem)
YAWN
The mind is a ... ( 3 weeks ago by thruthem)
The mind is a product of the brain - the evidence is ovewhelming.
Array ( 3 weeks ago by Scjrd91)
> The mind is a product of the brain.
If that was the case, then we wouldn't be debating this now would we?
Why not? ( 3 weeks ago by thruthem)
Why not?
Because we would ... ( 3 weeks ago by Scjrd91)
Because we would know without a doubt that every near death experience is or was biologically induced, if we understood that the consciousness was a byproduct of the brain.
Array ( 3 weeks ago by Scjrd91)
> but the point still stands that it is anecdotal testimony and not empirical evidence.
I already knew that and i'm sure almost every other person understood that as well. It may be untrustworthy to scientists or lack physical evidence yet that does not make it untrue.
I will give you ... ( 3 weeks ago by LiquidNsolidus)
I will give you that.But it doesnt make it useful evidence either.
I don't think there ... ( 3 weeks ago by thruthem)
I don't think there is such a thing in science as 'without a doubt..'
Science is all about doubt and questioning. Absoulte doubt is the realm of faith. lol
NDE is very much a brain event explainable by endorphines, oxygen deprivation and temporal lobe activity of a dying brain. There is zero evidence of any supernatural soul.
Bottom line: shoot me in the head = I cease to exist.
the fact that when ... ( 3 weeks ago by mitchrocks2)
the fact that when we consume hallucinagens (chemicals that should only effect the brain) our thought process, faculty of reason, and our mental personality, dictates to the logical mind that the mind is irrefutably connected to the brain...check and mate?
Array ( 3 weeks ago by Scjrd91)
> our thought process, faculty of reason, and our mental personality, dictates to the logical mind that the mind is irrefutably connected to the brain.
The study of the consciousness is in its infancy stages, making assumptions about whether it is separate or not from the body is bascially that.... an assumption. NDE's are no well explained by scientists nor do most scientists actually state that they believe hallucinogens account for every aspect of an nde. I suggest you do research on it.
Oxygen deprivation ... ( 3 weeks ago by Scjrd91)
Oxygen deprivation is not a good hypothesis as nde'rs describe their senses as being more acutely aware than they had ever been, while a person who suffers from loss of oxygen is in a daze or nearly comatose. The dying brain is also lacking validity, Pam Reynolds an NDE'r had an electroencephalogram that was silent, her brain-stem response was absent, and no blood flowed through her brain yet at this time she had a very deep nde. This was done in an Atlanta Study.
The subjective ... ( 3 weeks ago by thruthem)
The subjective experiences of the comatose patients are your evidence? Their altered perception of time and acuitiy of sensation must be taken with a grain of salt, don't you think?
Scientists can't ... ( 3 weeks ago by thruthem)
Scientists can't adequately explain the purpose of dreams, yet we do not jump to the conclusion, as the ancients surely did, that we are visiting other worlds and meeting people who are dead and in heaven...
Well i'm not saying ... ( 3 weeks ago by Scjrd91)
Well i'm not saying these experiences are from "the other side" but that idea is out there as a possibility. I don't think it is a good idea to just plainly say you've explained something when in reality you have only explained one aspect not every aspect of the experience. I'll man up and say right now: "I don't know." The only reason i don't believe God exists is because i don't see a reason for God to exist but even Shermer admits he doesn't know if heaven exists. I concur with that idea.
Ok so we do agree, ... ( 3 weeks ago by thruthem)
Ok so we do agree, thus the friendship.
If you do meet Jesus or Muhammed - tell them you haven't seen me!
I also agree the ... ( 3 weeks ago by Scjrd91)
I also agree the safest bet is to at least believe that we cease to exist after we die. There is no evidence of a "soul" although it may exist, but i am willing to keep my expectations low about heaven. I can't imagine it exists, it makes life more precious if we believe or at least assume nothing happens after we die. One of the most dangerously conceived ideas by humans is the afterlife.
Here's something to ... ( 3 weeks ago by liketanyanot)
Here's something to turn on its head, though- what if the electromagnetic stimulation is actually triggering these events to take place? What if it opens a part of the brain that contributes to opening portals to other dimensions? Maybe the test subjects were being electromagnetically stimulated in such a way that they WERE meeting aliens and having encounters with interdimensional beings? Our science can't currently handle that possibility, I am afraid...
Paranoia is great! ... ( 3 weeks ago by bleedtheworld)
Paranoia is great! BTW I agree with you.
You know that ... ( 3 weeks ago by bleedtheworld)
You know that invisibility cloak they are supposed to come out with in the next 5 years? Wouldn't something that generated an electromagnetic field that made someone think you are a huge freaking monster be better? Stealth vs pants shitingly crazy monster coming at you? which is more effective?
LOL, thanks- well ... ( 3 weeks ago by liketanyanot)
LOL, thanks- well unfortunately if the interdimensionality aspect is real, and the creatures already exist, we've already co-created them and they are already here, lol. And I don't think they would come at you- think cutsy scary- maybe they aren't what we are used to, but who says their first instinct is to harm? Especially when WE are the ones who helped create it, hmmmm? LOL
Also, that invisibility cloak is already here, it's already available for mass consumption.
Epic fail! ( 2 weeks ago by matafixer)
Epic fail!
ok this happens ... ( 2 days ago by RPS34V)
ok this happens with temporal lobe stimulation
it dosent explain why it happens without all the technological equipment . scientists only deal with impirical evidence by deffinition theese events arent exterior they arent technological they are bio logical



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