NEG 2 - Ayn Rand as an insignificant philosopher

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NEG 2 - Ayn Rand as an insignificant philosopher

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My final speech on this resolution. Please vote by leaving a comment on who you think is the winner of this round.

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I know an unknown ... ( 1 year ago by Rich711)

I know an unknown pianist who thinks Beethoven was an insignificant composer. You two losers should meet and wack each other off.

Just because ... ( 1 year ago by bpope123)

Just because certain ideas aren't available to our five senses doesn't mean they don't exist. If you can conceive of something and developed rational arguments for its existents then not understanding may stunt our growth. There are lots of things we rely upon that are purely conceptual, math being one of them and constructing language for things we see another. These purely conceptual ideas are fundamental for practical application, so perhaps the notion of a god is fundamental for behavior.

I think you're ... ( 1 year ago by itismejeremy)

I think you're confused; this guy is arguing that Ayn Rand IS significant.

I vote negative! ( 1 year ago by SBX1987)

I vote negative!

you suck dude... ... ( 1 year ago by kozmostony)

you suck dude...learn how to debate

I vote in the ... ( 1 year ago by GrowthSpiral)

I vote in the Positive - MrCropper's main arguements are full of emotional fallacies,etc - there is no objectivity because Mr.Cropper, you have a personal stake in seeing Rand being included as significant

The criterions for ... ( 1 year ago by TheIncredibleEgg)

The criterions for a philosopher to significant in this debate are invalid. Mr.Cropper showed that quite well throughout his videos. Especially in his reference to the discoveries of Copernicus.
I also think it's more important to debate Ayn Rands actual philosophy than all the crap around it.

Nice debate :o ( 1 year ago by Phrozenbot)

Nice debate :o

i plead the fifth ... ( 1 year ago by InfoJunkieHolland)

i plead the fifth on this one.

I vote negative, ... ( 11 months ago by rrbowker2002)

I vote negative, absolutely. I don't agree with half of what Ayn Rand professes, but from an "objective" standpoint, the negative has crushed the positive in this debate, utterly.

MUCH better than ... ( 10 months ago by smacksim)

MUCH better than your first attempt. You do well to address and destruct SD's premises (some of them). However, you still do not make the positive case. You guys might think to set up your future debates around positive--positive case, and negative--negative case, rather than assertion of negative case / negation of negative case. I believe this is part of why your debate got stuck in premise formation.

The Nazis were ... ( 8 months ago by Sindicutt)

The Nazis were really socialists who believed in universal healthcare, big government, and the destruction of private enterprises, similar to popular belief in America today. Ayn Rand rightfully compared them to Soviets, because as the soviets used the bourgeois as a scapegoat, the Nazis used the jews as a scapegoat, and Americans use the businessmen as scapegoats.
I've never heard of this "Heidegger" fellow. He must not have written the second most influential book of all time. Ayn Rand did.

It sounds like you ... ( 8 months ago by Sindicutt)

It sounds like you disagree with Ayn Rand's significant philosophy. She's a very polarizing figure among intelligent people, but that only proves she IS significant. Significance has nothing to do with popularity.
Ayn Rand is a household name, the founder of a philosophy debated by many intelligent people. (I don't know many stupid people who read philosophy or care about it.)
Ayn, like most great thinkers are almost always before their time,
and thus rejected by those living in their time.

Ayn Rand has ... ( 8 months ago by Sindicutt)

Ayn Rand has influenced alot of people. This issue of "significance" shouldn't even be up for debate. WTF? She's a household name among all educated people, whether you agree with her or not.
Shouldn't you guys be debating whether she was right or wrong? Or the actual convictions and rationale she held?
I applaud you, Mr. Cropper. A good debate, not perfect but you clearly had the advantage of being correct.

Oh, well if YOU'VE ... ( 8 months ago by zorio)

Oh, well if YOU'VE never heard of Heidegger, he can't be important.

Hey! Good point! ... ( 8 months ago by Sindicutt)

Hey! Good point! All those points and the only thing you could debate was one sentence about a Nazi philosopher. Thanks for proving I was right about everything else.
Nice work, detective!

This is kind of a ... ( 8 months ago by Jahandaar)

This is kind of a moot point, but its pretty simple. You won't find much coverage of Miss Rand's philosophy among traditional academia because she blamed that same academia for the intellectual degradation of society.
The Left hate her because she was an atheist.
The Right hate her because she was a capitalist.
The middle hate her because she was radical.
None of which makes her necessarily wrong or insignificant.

err.. swap left and ... ( 8 months ago by Jahandaar)

err.. swap left and right there :)

maybe she's ... ( 7 months ago by foxermcbride)

maybe she's passionate and articulate, but not insightful or original. maybe she's Rush Limbaugh in cute little cotton panties.

Very well done sir. ( 5 months ago by Connerisawesome)

Very well done sir.

At 6:30 you make a ... ( 2 months ago by thexjib)

At 6:30 you make a false assertion "you just have to accept" as if Kant presented his views without an argument to back them up...

The question ... ( 2 months ago by thexjib)

The question concerning the correspondence between perception and reality is not, in my opinion, so easily dismissed... as if it were simply an assertion. The analysis of primary and secondary properties of objects by the English Empiricist (John Locke, George Berkley especially) illustrate the difficulty of simply asserting that "the five senses" give an accurate, objective, picture of reality. I would really like to discuss this matter with you more.

I think it is a ... ( 2 months ago by thexjib)

I think it is a serious weakness of Rand, Aquinas and Aristotle's Philosophy.

Great -- I am an ... ( 2 months ago by Jazzper79)

Great -- I am an objectivist myself and only care about the truth, you do too, I can tell.
Very nice.
Jesper

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