NAOMI KLEIN & KEITH OLBERMANN EXPLAIN *THE SHOCK DOCTRINE*



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NOVEMBER 29, 2007 KEITH OLBERMANN


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It is amazing how ... ( 3 months ago by Rexanglorum)
It is amazing how much faith so many put in Keith Olbermann and claim that he is an intellectual, who is beyond everyone else. Keith Olbermann cannot hold a candle to Milton Friedman, nor can he actually read up on Milton Friedman and how those ideas have helped to save multitudes from poverty. For lying about and tarnishing the character and the ideas of the great Milton Friedman, you are indeed today's "Woooooorst person in the Wooooorld!"
At the end of the ... ( 3 months ago by garyrg)
At the end of the day Friedman is just another maniacal individual, like Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Marx, and Mussolini, trying to develop a theory, philosophy, or economic structure which will justify the concentration and transfer of wealth to the few at the expense of the many. Only Friedman, to his credit is smart enough to use economic violence covertly, rather than overt physical violence such as Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Marx and Mussolini.
Friedman is hiding ... ( 3 months ago by garyrg)
Friedman is hiding behind something that does not exist. Corporate lobbyists are paying off legislators to enact laws which structure the economy to their advantage. Legislators are paid off to enact laws which promote cooperate profits, at the expense of everyday Americans. It's not a free market, it's a bought market. Friedman knows this. Friedman is simply manipulating the language. After all, what American would ever argue against the word "free" or "freedom"?
The post-Pinochet ... ( 3 months ago by jtuck1234)
The post-Pinochet economic boom have been greatly attributed to Chile's free market laws, which are supported democratically til this day.
To blame the failures of a dictatorship on a foreign adviser and not the erm, violent dictator is a flimsy argument at best.
Than again most work by Klein is rather sophomoric, so this doesn't surprise me.
"Secondly economic ... ( 3 months ago by eddietheblur)
"Secondly economic crisis is not an invention it's an innate behavior of any economy, socialist or otherwise."
This is not what Klein is arguing..she is suggesting that the Shock Doctrine is based on the way that some would use the crisis to implement policies that would be otherwise unacceptable.
Naomi Klein is a ... ( 3 months ago by dascta1990)
Naomi Klein is a genius
There have been ... ( 3 months ago by zardozfromoz)
There have been numerous times in recent history where Friedman was consulted immediately before fascist juntas strong-armed his ideas into practice. Read Klein's book. She gives numerous examples, and Chile is just one of them.
Damn! I hit the ... ( 3 months ago by zardozfromoz)
Damn! I hit the wrong thumb on Rexanglorum's post. Please subtract two from whatever rating he has right now.
bet shes on the no ... ( 2 months ago by Gifthoarse)
bet shes on the no fly list
Watch her speak. ... ( 2 months ago by wheredidallthepeople)
Watch her speak. Now watch any video with Milton Friedman speaking. Who do you trust and believe more? Who's arguments are more rooted in truth?
You be the judge.
Exactly. One could ... ( 2 months ago by vryheid88)
Exactly. One could - to use her term - also use the "shock doctrine, to promote a socialistic and communistic doctrine, and can cite several examples in history. Also look at what socialism has brought to the eastern European countries. In Iraq, the country's sovereignty should have been respected. Lowering the tax is a good idea, but the companies should have been left to Iraq companies or ME companies and not act in the interest of US companies.
Free market ... ( 2 months ago by gibbersome)
Free market enterprise is great but opening up Iraq's natural resources to foreign investors will do very little to benefit the people of Iraq. We will almost certainly see money leaving the country and the conditions worsen. Free market enterprise works if the enterprises involved are local, not foreign.
The problem is that ... ( 2 months ago by sddallas)
The problem is that Friedman's track record is so poor. Are you a Libertarian/Objectivist?
It is true that the ... ( 2 months ago by Ngooo)
It is true that the economic boom has been atributed to the free market laws created by Pinochet. However you are overestimating the popularity of many decisions that were taken. An example of that is education.High school students and teachers are making violent protests and strikes because they are sick of the colapsed clasist privatized educational system.The democratic governments have supported this system but the population hasn't. Contradictory? No.If u know Chile u'll know why that is.
Array ( 2 months ago by razajac)
vryheikd88 sez:
"One could - to use her term - also use the 'shock doctrine,' to promote a socialistic and communistic doctrine,..."
Bear in mind that Ms. Klein would completely agree with you.
Your comments re Iraqi sovereignty are well considered; that's really the issue raised by Klein.
Come to think of it--and if you'll pardon my cynicism--I'm sure that "insurgency" is a handy euphemism for masses of people deciding they will *not* be railroaded by outsiders with guns (read: the U.S.A.).
To put a fine point ... ( 2 months ago by razajac)
To put a fine point on it: Shes part of a recent wave of an old tradition; social thinkers who refuse to be academically socialized and can and will call a spade a spade, and make the investment in time and personal energy to develop, test, and communicate an anti-authoritarian thesis.
It gives you hope: Like gypsy jazz and fine wine, this too will never die.
Sung to theStar ... ( 2 months ago by steelguy04)
Sung to theStar Spangled Banner
"Oh how can we see, with our heads in the sand"?
The American public believes what they are told, an it usually isn't the truth or correct answer to serious questions. How much more proof do we need to realize that we have been hosed since 9-11. Two thirds of coporations paid no income taxes last year...how much did you pay? Impeach and jail Bush and Chaney along with Dumsfeld, and the great fed maiplutaor, Greenspan WAKE UP AMERICA. The woking class is fed up!
What's hilarious is ... ( 1 month ago by gold95)
What's hilarious is that what Klein is describing as some disaster theory from Milton is the exact agenda the Founding Father had. Less Government, Miniscule taxes. We are now to believe than low taxes, and less Government regulation is supposed to be evil and disastrous. Lastly, we are NOT a democracy. She makes it up as she goes along.
She might as well ... ( 1 month ago by gold95)
She might as well sell some "new" diet program. Just make it up as you go along. Communist.
Which one do you ... ( 1 month ago by gold95)
Which one do you trust?
It's quite possible ... ( 1 month ago by bigempty191811122233)
It's quite possible to disagree with some of the conclusions in Ms. Klein's book, however your comments make it quite apparent that you saw this video and perhaps read a neoliberal review of her book but could not possibly have read the book. Your comments about the Founding Fathers reveal you are not a student of history. Read the book and I'm sure you will gain a new perspective on U.S. foreign policy. It's not about Iraq, it's about a radical economic policy dating back to Chile in 1973.
Conflict is the ... ( 3 weeks ago by mariapia3)
Conflict is the gadfly of thought. It stirs us to observation and memory. It instigates to invention. It shocks us out of sheep like passivity, and sets us at noting and contriving.
John Dewey
She is spreading ... ( 6 days ago by OutlawTomFantastic)
She is spreading the lie that Bush was somehow a laissez-faire free market guy. He wasn't! He was as interventionist as any socialist. He introduced huge packages to "stimulate" the economy and protected companies just like your average Keynesian idiot.
Like the Egyptians, ... ( 3 days ago by chaseybabe)
Like the Egyptians, Romans and British before them, the American empire has crumbled.
The genuinely sad part is that most Americans don't even know it because they can't take themselves away from a re-run of Larry King interviewing L. Lohan about who would win a cage-match between P. Hilton and J. Simpson.
Like the dweeb at school who still says "hi" to the bully on the last day of grade-12, knowing the brute is destined for a life in the mines while brainiac heads off for an education.
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