In Defence of Ayn Rand #1 - Rand's Defn. of Selfishness

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In Defence of Ayn Rand #1 - Rand's Defn. of Selfishness

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A response to Joelmac1983's description of Ayn Rand's concept of selfishness.

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Array ( 3 months ago by PaulMcKeever)

Nature.
What "justifies" being unhappy?

Haha realize what ... ( 3 months ago by Fonzee11)

Haha realize what you just said skrich2, brain up. 'What justifies being happy'? What the fuck kinda question is that. Retard.

As it has been said ... ( 3 months ago by Nadow)

As it has been said, nature. Natural (or primal) instict of man is survival, and by improving your life your chances of survival increase, and what happens when you improve your life in a manner that you feel rigt with? It's obvious, you feel happier than before.
But As I said for feeling happier your achievements has to be in harmony with your moral code (built on reason), if not, there would be internal contradiction, and so, suffering.

You have ... ( 3 months ago by Nadow)

You have misunderstood what "rational selfishness" is. It just doesnt have anything is common with being a bastard. If you are rational, and thereby analize which is the best way to optimize your relations with others (and obteining mutual benefit) you will reach the logical conclusion that is being kind and cooperative. And dont forget that this benefit can simply be self-safistaction on helping others i.e. But, again, thats not altruism or charity, is rational egoism. You obtein pleasure.

Nadow,thanks- well ... ( 3 months ago by kub73158)

Nadow,thanks- well put.

I think XOmniverse ... ( 3 months ago by zacd1)

I think XOmniverse has made a mistake. He has taken his own views of what right or good actions are and attempted to also call these actions rational - in order to agree with Ayn Rand. The problem seems to be that all the examples XOmniverse gave for why theft is not rational also apply to the trade example. (i.e., you are still relying on the productivity of the other person in order to get what will make you happy from him or her).
It's more rational to steal. Same payoff, no trade needed.

Quote from ... ( 3 months ago by niruobas55)

Quote from svannerman changed to the first person...
"Even 'my' own rationality, or attempts at it, cannot serve as a stable and abiding source for 'my' own happiness-this is because 'I' am not always rational and because 'I' do not always rely on rationality for 'my' happiness."
Sounds a bit different this way, all I can say to svannerman is to speak for yourself.

This in no way ... ( 2 months ago by skrich2)

This in no way addresses my question. I am not claiming that being happy is wrong in itself, that would be stupid. Assuming by your comment, you would like to try to provide an answer to the question so I will clarify it for you. It is the case that you have an impulse that is biological to pursue pleasure and avoid pain. For this to count as a morally justified action, you must provide some reason as to why it is "good". That means you need to give an account of the good and work it in.

Could you elaborate ... ( 2 months ago by skrich2)

Could you elaborate on what you mean, because nature in the Aristotelian sense does not justify Rand. Rand's reading of Aristotle is about as bad as Hitler's reading of Nietzsche. As to the second point the nihilist says that neither the pursuit of happiness or unhappiness are justified, and thus there is no worthy action.

you've got it ... ( 2 months ago by BanjoNaps)

you've got it backwards.

I do. ( 2 months ago by BanjoNaps)

I do.

You look like the ... ( 2 months ago by i0ii0iii0iiii0)

You look like the current Polish president, Lech Kaczynski.

That was a really ... ( 1 month ago by formless777)

That was a really worthwhile comment. Well done.

Based on the way ... ( 1 month ago by formless777)

Based on the way Ayn Rand lived, yes I do think she believed in living a selfish life, which was to the detriment of those of other peoples. She was awful to her friends and family. Ultimately isn't the way you live the truth of anyone's philosophy ?

Array ( 1 month ago by LimeTheSlime)

SSSSssssssssssss
lol.
`-`
take the jawbreaker out of your mouth.

Ayn Rand---the L. ... ( 4 weeks ago by kurd55)

Ayn Rand---the L. Ron Hubbard of capitalism.

I think what he was ... ( 2 weeks ago by candleman99)

I think what he was trying to say starting at about 1:40 before the cut was,
the person who lives to try to extract wealth from person A loses his identity, no longer has a self, becomes focused on the target of their need, the person they want to feed off of.
Wow, now his (I guess) dad gets to it at around 5 minutes in. Good vid.

Um... She emigrated ... ( 5 days ago by ProximaMinor)

Um... She emigrated here from Russia; there is no way you could know anything about Rand's family.

She had biographies ... ( 4 days ago by formless777)

She had biographies you know...

greed will unwind ... ( 3 days ago by jnycnuk)

greed will unwind any economy if left unchecked. canadas banks are secure when others need bailouts because canada imposes restrictions. ayn was so wrong in her theories.

Peikoff, her ... ( 3 days ago by ProximaMinor)

Peikoff, her intellectual heir, doesn't even know much about her earlier years in Russia, as she rarely talked about it. The closest thing you can get to an autobiography is "We the Living". Anyways, how she dealt with others was hardly detrimental.

If you think ... ( 3 days ago by formless777)

If you think wrecking marriages is good value then Ayn's your girl.

Her marriage wasn't ... ( 3 days ago by ProximaMinor)

Her marriage wasn't wrecked; both Frank and Nathanial agreed. Anyways, if two men love the same woman, then they must be of the same mind. If the woman doesnt want to choose to have a romantic relationship with only want, in other words if she wants both, and if the men do not have a problem in sharing the same woman, then its fine. Personally its not something I would want, but I certainly dont think its wrong if a party chooses to do what Ayn, Frank, and Nathanial did.

Since you ... ( 3 days ago by ProximaMinor)

Since you undoubtedly think mankind is horrible, and no one is worthy of life, why continue to live? You clearly stated that there is no worthy action; the most righteous thing someone could do is not act; the only way to do this is to cease existing.

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