Re: Proof God is Real
Uploaded by: loser078
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This is a video response to refute Shawn's argument that God is Real.
[ In response to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEXGKzH0F9c ]
After watching the video, if you're still confused, or you want to know more about what I'm trying to say in this video, here's a more well thought-out argument:
If you think of a number line;
... -5 -4 -3 -2 -1 0 +1 +2 +3 +4 +5 ...
you can see that it is infinite, and it doesn't start anywhere.
So if I promised that you would get to the number 0 after an infinite number of numbers, would you ever get to 0? Of course not, because nothing can happen between now and an infinite, but that doesn't prove that there can't be an infinite before or after something. If there are an infinite amount of numbers less than 0, is it possible for one to ever count to the number 0? Of course we can, it just depends where we start counting. Shawn's argument implies that we need to start counting at the beginning of that infinite number...but there is no beginning of an infinite number, so you'll have to pick a point from which to start counting.
Also, time is just a measurement of action, it's not something that must exist in order for us to have action. So, one could say that time began when the first action ever took place (big bang? creationism? something else?) Or, since somebody could easily ask "how long had nothing been going on before the first thing happened?" we could say "an infinite amount of time before that first thing happened" and thus we have an infinite amount of time moving backwards from the point at which the first thing happened. So, perhaps we can easily say that there has already been an infinite amount of time before now and there will be an infinite amount of time from the point at which the last thing happens.
Shawn is looking at "infinite" as a number or self-contained unit, as if I can promise you something, but only if an infinite amount of time has passed between now and then. That's the wrong way of looking at it. I look at it more as the universe. Imagine that if I rode a spaceship off of Earth and into space. Presuming that the universe is infinite, I will never reach any sort of end, I will just keep going for an infinite amount of time. Now view that infinite universe as time.
If I promise to give you a chocolate bar after you travel through an infinite amount of space, will I ever give you the chocolate bar? No, because it goes on forever, it will never end. That doesn't prove that the universe must be finite. "If there is an infinite amount of time, how could we ever get to this point in space?" Stop thinking of it as a linear beginning and end. Think of it as a never ending abyss of time and space.
Did that make any sense?
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i don't see why people can just dismiss your arguement as false and believe Shawn. I think you did a good job challenging his views. personally, however, i choose to remain agnostic. i have fun staying open minded =]
thanks for the comment. I'm glad you connected with what I was trying to say.
bible, all christians would deny the existence
of god. Christians believe everything in the
bible
you seem frustrated
Also, as an agnostic, I'm not "closing doors" on any "amount of possibilities", since I believe that no one can know with any amount of certainty where our universe came. That's the whole reason for my rebuttal to Shawn. He's certain about something we can't know.